21:47 Jul 28 2009
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I do not normally do this, but I am going to make an exception.This is the exact type of member that has no concept of VR and the Society System.
This is also the kind of crap I do not have to tolerate and I will not. I don't care who you are.
On 21:31:07 Jul 27 2009 (-0 GMT) ***King wrote:
Why exactly did you trade me to purgatory?
On 01:01:55 Jul 28 2009 (-0 GMT) MooniePie wrote:
You had no desire to be a part of any place on VR. As you so adamantly stated on your profile and within the VR main forums.
Purgatory is a place for people who do not wish to be inducted into any form of society. There are no rules there, no regulations, or any requirements.
Seemed like the best place since if you were just kicked out another people would have inducted you.
On 07:13:42 Jul 28 2009 (-0 GMT) ***King wrote:
Well, thanks for asking me before hand.
On 14:36:55 Jul 28 2009 (-0 GMT) MooniePie wrote:
That's the thing, you don't HAVE to be asked before hand. Forced inductions are the way of VR. It's the way it always has been.
There is a reason for that. It's a vampire website. A vampire wouldn't ask to turn you. It's the same concept.
On 16:28:39 Jul 28 2009 (-0 GMT) ***King wrote:
A vampire wouldnt ask to turn me, but would force me to be in the same clang and whatnot until they said i could go?
I dont think so. lol. The concept is clearly flawed, but no matter - I can live with flawed ideas.
On 19:35:59 Jul 28 2009 (-0 GMT) MooniePie wrote:
Cancer has even said in the VR Manual
If you do not understand the underlying concepts behind forced induction you should not be a member of Vampire Rave.
Cancer
Jun 29 2009
You said A vampire wouldnt ask to turn me, but would force me to be in the same clang and whatnot until they said i could go?
I don't know what you don't understand. And when I say this I am not being bitchy, I am being blunt. You are not special. EVERYONE can be forcefully inducted if you are under a Sire level. That is the way VR has been for years. Since you are property of the House/Coven that inducted you, they have a say as to whether you can be traded or remain in that place until you are a Sire level.
Cancer has made the website what it is. He's decided to make things the way they are because it's his site; it's his choices, it's his ideas.
It is stated-
Induction into any House or Coven is forced. You do not have a choice as to whether or not you will be a member of a House/Coven. An exception to this rule are members who hold the rank of Sire. A Sire cannot be forcibly inducted. A Sire can join any House/Coven (with the Master's permission) and leave any House/Coven at any time. A Sire can also start their own Coven.
Your Master can sell or trade you to another House/Coven. You do not have a choice if you will be sold or traded.
To say the concept is flawed is not really understanding the society system.
I really do not understand the reason as to why you asked the reason for your trade if you really don't care. And yes, I am assuming that you do not care since you've said you think the concept is flawed. It shouldn't make any matter as to where you are since you do not wish to be a member of any part of the Vampire Rave Society System.
On 19:43:42 Jul 28 2009 (-0 GMT) ***King wrote:
Choice has simply been eradicated - what isnt annoying about that? The fact that, should i change my mind about Covens and House's, now i have no choice except to reach sire level so i can eject myself?
The situation you have put me in hasnt helped. I would have much rather taken a chance and just been released from the coven. Now i have to reach sire?
very silly.
Cancer can run his site how he pleases. I'll just have an opinion on whats what. I'm still allowed an opinion right? Or would i have to ask my coven master? XD
On 19:52:35 Jul 28 2009 (-0 GMT) MooniePie wrote:
Yes, the choice has been eradicated. This is a Cancer-ocracy. Since he owns the site, it is his rules and his ways. You can have as many opinions as you want, we all have them. Some people agree with, some do not. That's the wonderful thing about everyone having their own mind and their own way.
I've not put you in any situation; you've actually put yourself there. If you would have messaged me to begin with and said,"I would like to be some place other than in your Coven", I would have happily traded you without any questions, but once you started in the Main Forums about 'the place that inducted you' (numerous times), your options were shot.
I never just 'release' anyone. Releasing someone means that another House/Coven can pick them up for nothing. That doesn't do anything to help out my Coven.
Don't be snide; it's not very becoming. Especially when I am trying to explain to you the way things work around here so maybe, just maybe, you will understand for future reference and not have to go through this issue again.
On 20:05:54 Jul 28 2009 (-0 GMT) ***King wrote:
I understand fully how things work around here. By placing me in purgatory YOU and YOU alone have placed me in a crappy situation.
I think what you seem to lack is the understanding that i have no wish to be apart of ANY coven. None whatsoever. And yes, you may think them mandatory, but i dont see it anywhere in Cancer's little bible that you MUST be in a group.
Why would i message you to ask to be traded? Surely after this disscussion, coupled with my forums posts (which were not a put-down of your coven) you would see that i simply do not wish to be apart of any group at this time, including purgatory.
I even put on my profile i didnt want to be inducted. So why, oh why, after someone blatently ignoring my requests, would i ask to be traded?!?!
On 20:18:08 Jul 28 2009 (-0 GMT) MooniePie wrote:
No, you don't fully understand how things works around here. Because IF you DID you would grasp the concept that It doesn't matter WHAT you've decided to place on your profile, you will still be forcefully inducted by anyone at anytime.
If someone in Purgatory seen that before I did, you would have went there anyways. Purgatory is for just that. People who do not understand the concept of forced inductions. Many of the ones that were/are in there are in there just for that.
No, Not ME and ME alone. Yes, *I* put you there. Yes, *I* would do it again if I had the chance. Why? Because you clearly do not want to be in any form of society. As you have so many times stated. You DO NOT have to particpate within that society. You do not have to participate within any society. It is a tag on your profile. No, one is forcing you to push the button to enter into the society forums. That is your choice.
So really, you still have choices. Just not the ones you want.
Jul 28 2009 (-0 GMT) ***King wrote:
Actually, what i have is a really annoying member of Cancers minion crew being slack and not UNDERSTANDING a single word i say.
Facts.
- You should have just released me.
- I have no choices.
- You put me in purgatory, therefore its your fault. Whether you would do it again is irrelevant so i dont know why you added that in there.
- It does not say in the VR manual that someone HAS to be apart of a coven, so you didnt have to trade me, you just did it to be an a**hole.
Congratulations.
Hope someone rewards you by putting there foot in your mouth XD
Jul 28 2009 (-0 GMT) MooniePie wrote:
You know, what I am done. I am totally finished. You want to call me an asshole man-up and call me an asshole. But let me tell you this. If I had really wanted to be an asshole, I would have kept your ass to rot in my Coven.
I understand every damn word you've said. Don't think I haven't sit here with another damn member and listened to the same damn song and dance over and over again.
It's just another name this time.
Speaking of man-up why don't you man-up and act like you have some damn sense. And while you're at it. You can take that snide, sarcastic congratulations and shove it.
-sarcasm- Enjoy your time on VR. Looks like Purgatory got another great member. -/sarcasm-
COMMENTS
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Freyja
21:55 Jul 28 2009
Go get 'em Moonie!
Punkie
22:05 Jul 28 2009
I wouldn't worry about him. Just another one of those d-bags that wants to be noticed.He's cool and edgy because he's making a statement. I think not. The only statement I get from him and his craptastic profile is that he is one of those skinny nerds with a God complex that is generally compensating for the small package in his pants, and low social status in reality. Tell him to piss off because he'd probably cower before you if he ever met you.
ThothLestat
22:21 Jul 28 2009
Everyone's a victim these days.
The concept is clearly flawed, but no matter - I can live with flawed ideas.
uh, no, he clearly cannot.
Still not gettin' it.
JackofSpades83
22:55 Jul 28 2009
You have a lot more patience than I do. I would have given up long before you. Some people just hear what they want to hear I suppose.
MyWorldYourDream
00:55 Jul 29 2009
I probably would have blocked him long before that.
I have no patience for stupidity and I'm from Mississippi.
We've got THE lowest scores in the states.
So when I'm calling someone stupid, you KNOW there's a problem.
*laughs*
Vampirewitch39
03:18 Jul 29 2009
:) Have I told you of late how much I luvs ya?
XD
08:00 Jul 29 2009
Firstly..What the hell did I do?!?!?!
Congratulations.
Hope someone rewards you by putting there foot in your mouth XD
Secondly, I can't believe you had that much patience with him! You are indeed a better woman that me....wait...person than me
PhoenicianDream
13:37 Jul 29 2009
wtf is a clang? I thought that was a noise o.0?
MooniePie
20:32 Jul 29 2009
hahah XD and your paranoid self. :P
I think I have more patience with people who are not on the same mental level as me. I'd work really well in the mentally handicapped field, as you can so tell. ;)
Either that or my pills are actually working. lol!
This is totally the kind of person that " If you don't understand the concept behind forced inductions you shouldn't be a part of VampireRave" is talking about.
It's alright though.
He can eat a dick. :D